Not too long ago I received a really nasty anonymous comment to a post from last month where I took part in a 'bible test' meme that was going around:
You know what! There's nothing wrong with beliving in a higher power. So FUCK OFF, you pretentious, fake buster, faggot ass pussies. There's nothing wrong with being gay and being christian. DOUCHEBAGS!
The IP addy of the post (71.85.6.110) puts this individual in or around Greenville, SC. Having been around various religious and atheist forums for a long time now, the above response fits into so many of the typical, almost stereotypical sorts of behavior found when a 'believer' posts a reply from his position:
1: Poor spelling and/or grammar
2: Usage of capital letters
3: Wholesale usage of slurs and epithets to describe their opponents
4: Posting from deep in the Bible Belt
5: Lots of cursing
6: Ad hominem attacks
The obvious departure from boilerplate fire-and-brimstone screed is There's nothing wrong with being gay and being christian. Browsing through my friends list will turn up a good bit of gay Christians. Some are even priests or hold other positions in the church. I know lots of gay Christians, Jews, Pagans, etc, and, of course, atheists. So, I needn't be reminded by the above quote.
If you cannot state your position (or opposition) using sane, intelligent, engaging conversation and instead must resort to harsh language, personal attacks and cursing, you will do nothing in the way of seeing your point of view. In fact, this type of improper debate only cements my opinion and positions, both on a personal level, and as a matter of discourse.
The dude is probably pissed because he scored lower than me on that meme quiz.
You know what! There's nothing wrong with beliving in a higher power. So FUCK OFF, you pretentious, fake buster, faggot ass pussies. There's nothing wrong with being gay and being christian. DOUCHEBAGS!
The IP addy of the post (71.85.6.110) puts this individual in or around Greenville, SC. Having been around various religious and atheist forums for a long time now, the above response fits into so many of the typical, almost stereotypical sorts of behavior found when a 'believer' posts a reply from his position:
1: Poor spelling and/or grammar
2: Usage of capital letters
3: Wholesale usage of slurs and epithets to describe their opponents
4: Posting from deep in the Bible Belt
5: Lots of cursing
6: Ad hominem attacks
The obvious departure from boilerplate fire-and-brimstone screed is There's nothing wrong with being gay and being christian. Browsing through my friends list will turn up a good bit of gay Christians. Some are even priests or hold other positions in the church. I know lots of gay Christians, Jews, Pagans, etc, and, of course, atheists. So, I needn't be reminded by the above quote.
If you cannot state your position (or opposition) using sane, intelligent, engaging conversation and instead must resort to harsh language, personal attacks and cursing, you will do nothing in the way of seeing your point of view. In fact, this type of improper debate only cements my opinion and positions, both on a personal level, and as a matter of discourse.
The dude is probably pissed because he scored lower than me on that meme quiz.
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Date: 2007-02-10 04:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-10 02:51 pm (UTC)smart people challenge ideologies
ignorant people attack their opponents personally because they know they have no defense for their ideologies.
saying "Belief that Jesus is coming back is unfounded and absurd" is comepletely fair
saying "All people who believe in Jesus are idiots and should be killed" is not.
you're like me, you have no unfounded ideologies to attack. hterefore, you personally is all the target they got
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Date: 2007-02-10 02:51 pm (UTC)smart people challenge ideologies
ignorant people attack their opponents personally because they know they have no defense for their ideologies.
saying "Belief that Jesus is coming back is unfounded and absurd" is comepletely fair
saying "All people who believe in Jesus are idiots and should be killed" is not.
you're like me, you have no unfounded ideologies to attack. hterefore, you personally is all the target they got
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Date: 2007-02-10 04:11 am (UTC)7. Inability to form a coherent opposition.
Case in point:
If "there's nothing wrong with being gay," then why does he use "faggot" as an insult? And what does "fake buster" mean, anyway?
By the way, Greenville, SC just happens to be the home of uber-rigid fundamentalist Bob Jones University.
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Date: 2007-02-10 04:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-10 04:26 am (UTC)He is a deuche bag in the worst sense of the word.
First of all, as someone who is a fag, and a Christian, I don't get his screed. I totally agree it's poorly written, poorly thought out and just reactionary to say the least.
If I wanted to, I could come up with something way more thoughtful than that.
But I understand their "kind" as my oldest sister is a Fundi herself, didn't always used to be, grew up Episcopalian and I feel she's very vulnerable to whomever speaks and just goes along like a sheep who is sheered is mute for he not opened his mouth (and his brain to question what's going on) That last bit in parenthases I added.
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Date: 2007-02-10 06:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-10 07:19 am (UTC)So did you delete the anonymous comment or not?
And why did you choose to do what you did?
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Date: 2007-02-10 02:54 pm (UTC)As for why I did this, one was for the entertainment value, another was to allow all points of view (which is one of my prime directives on these pages) and most of all, to let others know what I, and by extension they, are up against.
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Date: 2007-02-10 09:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-10 09:37 am (UTC)I'm just happy it wasn't me Phil. Ignore the troller.
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Date: 2007-02-10 10:34 am (UTC)As for objecting to opinions with vitriol instead of rational thought, consider this opinion of mine, Mr. Anonymous:
Most people who believe in a higher power do so because they are too weak to face up to the idea that just maybe, this world and this life are all we have.
And I'll say that while signing my name. Pussy indeed.
--
Harry Baer IV
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Date: 2007-02-10 04:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-12 06:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-02-12 06:26 pm (UTC)Probably, "Condemnation of gays is not in the spirit of Christ! Condemnation of other groups I'm not a part of? OPEN SEASON!!!"
I can easily get along with certain religious people, as long as they have the humility to admit their religion is at least in part, speculation and/or symbolism. Such as some Catholics and Jews viewing Genesis as metaphor, or Christians who say, "Jesus can still accept people who don't believe in him if they still believe in 'love thy neighbor'."
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Date: 2007-02-12 07:02 pm (UTC)I was going to post it as a joking reply, but I'm still afraid it could be taken as an endorsement of that kind of thinking.